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    • CommentAuthorFree MemberCalantha
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    Calantha
    So, I just purchased my first road bike, and boy... the seat is really hurting my crotch (sorry, I can't think of any other way to put it). The pain is primarily in the front area and along the underwear line (my bum is fine), and leaves me swollen and sore after a quick 9km ride. Now, my question is... is it just a matter of getting used to the new seat and the different area of impact? Will getting a decent pair of padded biking shorts make a significant difference (I just wear normal shorts at the moment). Or, is this a situation where I might need an entirely new seat? Thanks for your insight!
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberSlfdestrct
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    Slfdestrct

    I had the same problem, and a pair of padded biking shorts worked wonders, along with a slight adjustment of how I sit. 

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberSifton
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    Sifton

    Hi.  I completely agree with Slfdestrct.  The thing with the shorts is you should purchase a pair made specifically for you (there are shorts with men and women specific designs); Unisex is fine but you will be more comfortable wearing sex specific designed shorts (padding in the right places) and go with minimum 6 panels.  I would also look at your seat; is it Unisex (most are)?  You can also purchase sex specific designed seats as well (this can make a huge diffference).  Other than that adjust your seat to accomodate how you ride; ensure that the nose is not pointed too far up or down and move the seat fore and aft as you find your best riding position.  Since this is your first road bike, you will find the seat "different"; check with your local bike shop and they can help measure you up for proper seating and positioning (or check online for the way to measure it yourself).  Good luck and don't worry, this too shall pass and riding a road bike will become very satisfying.

    Cheers.Smile

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberpmcnamee
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    pmcnamee

    Get GOOD bike shorts!  The extra expense is definitely worth it.

    The other thing to do is get fitted for your bike.  Getting the right size frame is just the beginning.  You have to make sure the seat and handlebars are in the right position for you body.  I had to use a longer stem than the one that came with my bike.  They swapped it out for me before I left the store.  I also had to tilt the seat down some because of the position that I ride in most of the time.  I was getting too much pressure.

    Good luck!

    Pete 

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberCalantha
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    Calantha
    Thanks for all of your comments, they are very helpful. The bike was originally fitted to me, but they had suggested I come back after riding around 30hrs for adjustment... which I think I will do tonight, along with picking up some bike shorts! Thanks again!
  1.  
    mkschaefer0527
    The issue may very well be the seat, I'm surprised no one has addressed that. Even high end road bikes typically come with a terrible seat that can put pressure on sensitive areas. I'm in the saddle a couple hours a day, as I ride and race for a team, and the seat was the first thing I swapped out before I even rode it. What seat are you riding right now? What bike are you riding right now? The majority of your weight should be on your "sit" bones and that is the only thing that should be sore.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberCalantha
    • CommentTimeAug 15th 2007
     
    Calantha
    I've got the Giant OCR-3, and the seat that came with it. Thinking about it, I don't believe the majority of my weight is on my sit bones, it seems to be more directed to the front of my pelvic bone. I went to the bike store this afternoon, bought a pair of biking shorts (which I think will be necessary anyway). The attendant helping me suggested I first try out the shorts before switching seats... we'll see what happens tomorrow, I guess. Anything is better than what I had.
  2.  
    Madone Marone

    Thinking about it, I don't believe the majority of my weight is on my sit bones

    That may also be fore and aft adjustment, as well as angle of the nose of the seat.  Beware of any numbness.

    • CommentAuthorFree Membertt1106
    • CommentTimeAug 20th 2007
     
    tt1106

    LOL.....See post about runners and toenails and blisters. 

    Padded shorts help, but mostly it's just road time and hardening that soft tissue.  Are things going numb?   Don't worry that will get better too.

    You can try a  different saddle, but stay away from the plush looking ones.

    I have a Selle and I hated it at first, but now it's great. 

    Good luck. 

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberCalantha
    • CommentTimeAug 21st 2007
     
    Calantha
    No, nothing is going numb. The shorts have helped quite a bit, but I'm starting to think that the nose of the seat needs to be pointed down a little farther. It feels like I am grinding my pelvic bone every time I lean forward... On another note, while the padded shorts have really helped, I've found that the edge of the padding is chaffing my bum and my underwear line. Is this a case of purchasing the wrong size, or still the seat? Someone in another forum suggested using Chamois cream, and while that works for longer bike rides, I'm just commuting 20 minutes to work, only to have a pinched and chaffed bum when I get there. It is really uncomfortable while biking, and I find my concentration is more focused on the pain in me bum, and not on actually biking. Any ideas?
  3.  
    stealthrunner

    OK - first off get rid of the undies.  The bike shorts are made with a chamois (i.e. the padding being referred to) that functions as both a liner and a pad.  Wearing underwear is not a good idea - too many seams for chafing and pressure points.  (For those interested these liners used to be made from real chamois hence the name.  Fortunately replacement materials have been found.) 

    Second, check your saddle alignment - make sure that your saddle is horizontal to the ground.  With tires inflated use a torpedo level on the saddle and adjust until it is level (you may need a small board or piece of cardboard to compensate for any cutouts in the saddle).  Also, make sure the nose of the saddle is pointing directly at the handlebar stem and aligned with the top tube.

    Lastly, check your fit - when you are riding in your normal position (hands on top of the bars, on the drops, etc.) your weight should still be on the pelvic bones.  You shouldn't feel like you are "rolling forward" on the saddle.  Two major causes if you are not seated properly - your saddle is too high or the bike is too long.  If your legs are stretched or hyperextend at the bottom of the pedal stroke your saddle is too high and you can lower it.  If this isn't the case you may need a shorter handlebar stem to shorten the reach a little bit.

     Once you ditch the undies and get make sure everything fits right the unfortunate truth is that you probably just need more seat time.  Every spring when I get back into riding the two areas that need the most time to aclimate are my seat and my shoulders/back.  Fortunately it will come with time. 

     

     

     

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberCalantha
    • CommentTimeAug 21st 2007
     
    Calantha
    Hey, thank for your detailed reply. I wasn't clear in my last post, I am NOT wearing underwear with the shorts, but the shorts are pinching the area where underwear would be IF I were wearing some, and along the edge of the bike seat. I am 5'6" and I have the small Giant OCR-3 (46.5") which was fitted to me at the bike shop. I do not think the handle column can be shortened, but I may need to lower the seat more. I initially adjusted the height of my seat as it felt as though I was over-extending my legs, but I do feel rather crunched over when I ride on the drops. I will also take into consideration the other items you mentioned. I have noticed though that if I just tuck the other side of the bike padding under my bum when I bike it feels a lot better... It's just a matter of keeping it there, hah hah. Thank you again!
    • CommentAuthorFree Membermedegraa
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2007
     
    medegraa

    My experience is that not all bike seats and shorts are created equal.  I bought my first road bike this year too and bought a pair of Adidas bike shorts for about $45.  I then purchased a pair of Pearl Izumi's for about $80.  The Pearls are definitely more comfortable.  I think they have the ultra-sensor chamois.

    For my seat I discovered Specialized Body Geometry (BG) seats and love them.  I was having problems with numbness and bought a BG seat to put on myh mtn bike and it really helped.  So when I bought my road bike I invested in a Specialized Alias seat.  I can't say enough about the BG seats.  They do make them specifically for ladies.  They are not cheap butr neither is biking.  Check them out at www.specialized.com.

    Have fun biking.  It is a blast.

    Mike.

     

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberCarbntrek
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2007
     
    Carbntrek

    I own 3 Selle Italia saddles and they all are perfect, expensive but perfect.  The SLK had the most flex since it is two pieces.  As tt1106 mentioned earlier, they need about a dozen miles or so to break in, and NEED to be pro-fitted.  Or, at least get an experienced rider to stand next to you, sitting stationary on the bike, to adjust what needs to be adjusted.  For hints/tips, check out Sheldon Harris's website.  Just google his name and you will find it.  It is an immense site, so have patience and have fun!

     

    Dave 

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberSirVelo
    • CommentTimeAug 28th 2007
     
    SirVelo
    Having a comfortable ride is very important, especially if you spend a lot of time on the bike. For a number of years I rode with relatively cheap saddles and bike shorts and always felt uncomfortable on the seat even with the proper set-up. I thought it was suppose to be that way, until a few months ago, I developed boils in the area of my sitbones and was forced to go and see a doctor. The recommendation was that the dead tissue will have to be removed  by an operation. I decided to wait a bit and invested in a pair of Assos bib shorts and a Fizzik Arione saddle. Within a month the problem completely disappeared and I can now even ride with my older shorts for up to 2hrs without discomfort. If I new this, I would have spend the money long time ago.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberCarbntrek
    • CommentTimeAug 28th 2007
     
    Carbntrek

    Calantha,

    You also want to make sure, as SirVelo was pointing to, that your position on the seat is optimal.  Your ischial tuberisities, aka  'sitsbones' should be on the wider aspects of the saddle; this will change as you slide forward or backward on the seat.  If the nose of the saddle is too high, you will slide back and too much soft tissue will be bearing your weight.  If the nose is too low you will slide forward and you will be slightly arching your lumbar spine (low back) to try to compensate and attempt to keep your sitsbones on the wider part of the saddle. 

    If you haven't yet, make a trip to the shop you bought the ride from and have them check you out on it (your form will change b/w when you buy the bike and after a few weeks or months of riding).  If the shop crew is a good bunch, they will do this free of charge.

    Very wordy, sorry!  Good luck again.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberquickbuck
    • CommentTimeSep 2nd 2007
     
    quickbuck

    After a bit of skim reading over the posts I think another thing to consider is:

    Chanious cream. This prevents the relitive movement between the chamious and the skin. Thus preventing chafing around the "underware line".

    • CommentAuthorFree Membervelogold
    • CommentTimeSep 15th 2007 edited
     
    velogold

    Some excellent points on seat position, and bike fit.

    Two additional observations:

    1.) Terry saddles -- http://www.terrybicycles.com -- designed by and made for women. The Butterfly comes highly recommended by my significant other.

    2.) Brooks saddles. http://www.brookssaddles.com

    Since 1866 they have been making the finest, and by far, the most comfortable saddle in existence. All modern saddles have a rigid shell that the saddle leather (or other material) is mated to. It will never break in or conform to your specific body attributes. A Brooks is essentially a leather hammock suspended between the front and back of the saddle. Legend has it they were notoriously difficult to break in and caused a lot of pain along the way. Several years ago they began to offer "pre-conditioned" saddles that shortened or eliminated the break-in period all together. I have had two -- a Brooks Professional I have put about 100K miles on in the last 35 years, and a Brooks Swift I have been happily riding for the past 10 years. Both are remarkably comfortable and will last forever.

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberCalantha
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2007
     
    Calantha

    Again, thank you for all of your help.  I did try the utterly smooth cream which didn't really change much.  I'm pretty sure my seat needs adjustment, and I am going to take it to the shop and get them to do it.  I think the nose points upwards and that's where it's making contact with my pelvic bone.  And of course, I will look into getting a new seat, when I can afford it.

     

    Thank you for all of your comments! 

    • CommentAuthorFree Membertomrob36
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2007
     
    tomrob36
    I would like to second the mention of Specialized Body Geometry seats. My local bike shop has you sit on a gel pad which will show exactly where your sit bones are and more importantly the spacing. You take the measurement of the indents and get a matching width seat. Then after properly adjusting it on the bike for height, fore and aft position and then angle you should have your weight mostly on your sit bone with little irritation any where else. I hope this helps.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberTDFbound
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2007
     
    TDFbound
    i notice you mention the chafing along the edge of the chamois... i had that problem, too.  i used a pair of pearl izumi attack shorts, which i think somebody else in here has referred to (around $80, ultra sensor chamois).  several pairs of those lasted a long time, but when they were new, and when they got worn out, i got bad saddle sores.  i still have scars that perfectly outline the shape of that chamois from groin to half-way up my butt-cheeks.  I finally broke down and bought a righteous pair of Sugoi RS shorts ($125).  WOW.  that fixed the chamois problem, but i still had to experiment with seats.  specialized seats just didn't fly with me- padding was too firm and cutout was too narrow on all seats i tried.  I found an old Selle San Marco ERA saddle at the shop i work at and it is the most comfortable seat i have ridden in years.  selle san marco makes great seats, but if you want something a little more cushy, without being overly plush, try the selle royale series.  had one of those too, and not one complaint from it for 15,000 miles in two years.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberVeera
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2008
     
    Veera
    Someone might have said this already but don't wear a thong when you're cycling!
    • CommentAuthorFree Membertrek7300
    • CommentTimeApr 14th 2008
     
    trek7300

    Nice one Veera, yes we all learn from our mistakes and I am sure you speak from experience. Let me know where you ride!

    I don't have much padding on my ass so I Use Santini gel twist plus a second cheaper pair of padded shorts over the top.

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberTink11
    • CommentTimeApr 18th 2008
     
    Tink11

    Assos Chamois Cream

     

    Chammy Butter

     

    Crotch Guard

     

    Get one, no one who goes longer then a 15 minute ride should go unprotected, this helps protect your expensive shorts and your grundle. 

    • CommentAuthorPremium Member!weejindy
    • CommentTime1 day ago
     
    weejindy

    Ditto on the Specialized body geometry testing, escpecialy if you feel that your saddle is too narrow.  I ride a Selle and had the advantage of a dealer that had a test ride program set up.  I plopped down a security payment and had access to the saddle for about a week.  After 3 models I found the perfict fit.

    Good shorts are worth the investment.  Go for bibs and nothing less than 6 panels.

    Repeat the fit testing at your dealer with your new saddle and shorts.

    Remember to rise out of the saddle on a regular basis to relieve pressure.

    Keep those shorts clean!

    Get out of your shorts and get clean as soon as you can after the end of the ride.  Some nice drying powder can help with the moisture chafing.

    Become a chamois cream expert.  Assos, Chamois Butt's, Belgium Butter...the choices are endless.

    If I chafe I tend to do so in the same spots where you have been having problems.  I started using RESKIN pads and the problem is solved.  They were well worth the cost and shipping charges from Belgium. 

    Happy riding!