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    • CommentAuthorFree Memberlynn1982
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2008
     
    lynn1982
    Hi everyone.  I am starting a running program; I'm about 4 weeks in and going strong.  I am surprised how much I like it.  I started just to lose weight but now I really think I would like to get deep into running.  Anyway, my question is, do any of you drink the protein shakes and if so what kind?  If I have shake for breakfast, and then do my regular running and strength training in the afternoon, will this help me to build muscle and lose weight, or do you really have to be weight training hard core, like 2x day for the protein to work? And, do you think that will be too much? I don't want to bulk up necessarily, just nice muscle tone.  Any suggestions?
    • CommentAuthorFree Membervmidiver
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2008
     
    vmidiver

    Lynn,

    Where to begin?  I've used several different protein shakes and my favorite three are Muscle Milk, Met-RX, and whey.  With the whey I'll mix it into a smoothie for my post hard workout recovery drink.  Which protein shake to drink is mostly personal preference (IMHO) and a little bit of what works scientifically for you (I'm no science expert).  It sounds like you've found a shake you like that works for you so stick with that and venture out to try new ones when you feel like you might need a change.

    When to drink them?  There is lots of information out there about this but my approach is that I drink shakes/smoothies within 30 mins after a workout that has lasted longer than 45 mins or was high on the intensity scale.  Again no expert here, but I understand that the 30 mins after stopping exercise is the optimum time for your muscles to take in glycogen and protein to start to repair itself and to grow stronger.  A breakfast shake with lots of protein is good in the sense that it should fill you up at the beginning of the day, but you might want to try something after your workouts as well.

    Bulk vs. tone.  Wow, I could start a whole new string of discussions about this.  Bulking up comes from specific types of workouts that I doubt you are doing (a good thing).  Bulk doesn't come from protein shakes.  The idea of "toning" IMHO is a myth.  I prefer to be fit and strong vs. looking toned.  However, what you're thinking of as "toned" won't come from a protein shake either.  Shakes can be an instrument to help you achieve your goals, but keep running and working out and you will become fit.

    Welcome to the club for those of us who think punishment is fun.  Keep up the good work with your running program.  Good Training!

    - Matt

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberyugami
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2008
     
    yugami

    Whey protein is a "complete" protein, in that it contains the essential amino acids (those the body can't make itself).

     Protein supplementing  within 3 hours of resistance (weight lifting etc) exercise has shown to increase specific protein creation.  I'm not sure how much research has been done since I stopped reading this sort of thing but while it wasn't conclusive that it increased muscle production it seemed to be pointing in that direction.

     A balanced diet with enough carbs, protein and fat intake is essential for making it through a good well balanced exercise program. Taking in a fair amount of protein following the exercise should reduce recovery time and help build/maintian muscle.

     Tone comes from training muscle endurance, you'll need to do some reading on that.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberbryan913
    • CommentTimeMar 31st 2008
     
    bryan913

    I train about 14 hours a week for triathlons, and on 4 of the 7 days I drink a protein shake.  Both Saturday and Sunday, and Tuesday and Thursday are long days for me where my total workout time for the day is 2.5+ hours.  I feel that a protein shake is essential (post workouts) for recovery and a lot of them provide not only protein, but other essential vitamins and minerals. 

    As for what one to choose?  Proto Whey is my brand of choice.  It is made by the BioNutritional Research Group.  It is a California based company, who I found on a website called sponsorhouse.com.  They have had the best tasting protein by far, and it has really been helping my recover and build lean muscle. 

    Do be cautious, protein (no matter who makes it) will effect your digestive system.  This is why I always drink them after workouts.

    Good Luck!

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberKick001
    • CommentTimeMay 31st 2008
     
    Kick001
    No matter what the form of training is you need protein to build/rebuild muscle, few protein shakes a week should not bulk you up. I run a lot of miles every week and am careful of my diet, I find that if I try to be to scientific it just gets way to complex. I developed some simple personal rules of thumb for (vitamins,fiber,carbs, protein and fat) then just apply them to my daily dietary choices. The number one rule is “food must taste good!” I drink protein shakes post workout several times a week because I like the taste of the one my wife and I use and not just because it's part of my workout/dietary regiment. My advice is find a couple “you” like then you'll drink them because you like them.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberYoungsam
    • CommentTimeJul 9th 2008
     
    Youngsam

    How many calories are in some of the protein shakes you mentioned(muscle milk, ect?

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberavisel
    • CommentTimeJul 10th 2008
     
    avisel

    As a registered dietitian, protein shakes have always annoyed me.  Unless you are a very large person with a small appetite, protein shakes aren't a necessary supplement to your diet.  If you are eating a balanced diet, you really don't even need protein shakes.  For a person who is training often like you are, the max amount of protein that has been shown to be needed is 1 gram per ~75% of your weight in pounds (1 g per pound if you want to be really generous).  Example: if you weight 150lbs, you need ~113 g protein a day.  You can get this easily with a diet that is full of foods high in protein like milk, fish, chicken, etc.  Drinking  protein shakes on top of a diet that is high in protein is just a way to consume more calories (1 g of protein is 4 calories), and can also be expensive.  Also, excess protein cannot be stored in your body like fat and carbohydrates.  Excess protein that you consume is broken down and made into carbohydrates first, and then fat once your carbohydrate stores are full.  And when protein is metabolized into one of these, the waste product is ammonia.  Not a big deal if you are a healthy person, but if you have kidney problems, or this is a continual occurrence, it could lead to problems. 

    One of the best after workout choices that has shown up in numerous articles is chocolate milk.  Here is an article you should check out, by a well known sports dietitian, Nancy Clark, about protein supplements. 

    http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=1264

    She also mentioned that for after training, the most important fuel you should be replacing is carbohydrates, not protein.  So, if you really feel that protein shakes are you secret to success, then by all mean continue.  They can also be a good "on the go" food if you don't have time for a balanced meal.  But if you do the math (both for your protein needs and how much is leaving your wallet every month for those shakes) you might decide that real food is the way to go. 

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberspudsmac12
    • CommentTimeJul 14th 2008
     
    spudsmac12
    I've always been more in favor or avisel's advice. I generally don't eat meat often, kinda partial vegetarian, but I make sure to eat plenty of legumes and other protein sources in my diet. However after my long run I usually will grab a smoothy with some whey protein, carbs are what you need after a long run and protein is suppose to help the carbs get to your muscles faster, that acclaimed 4:1 ratio. But that is once a week only. Overall, balanced meals are the best way to go. But, as previously stated if you feel that protein shakes are beneficial then go for it.
    • CommentAuthorFree Membercmarti15
    • CommentTimeJul 17th 2008
     
    cmarti15

    Check out Lambrada protein.  They can come in individual packets, they have a huge amount of protein per serving, somewhere around 50 grams, with hardly any fat, and just a few carbs.  It is good stuff!

     Before I started running I was a collegiate swimmer, winning multiple national championships and just missing the qualifying time for the Olympic Trials, so you can imagine the workout regime I had to sustain.  I had a similiar problem with keeping my weight on, but this stuff was incredible.  I put an immense amount of lean muscle on, mostly in my legs and shoulder area.  The individual packets go a long way; they allow for you to bring it with you wherver you go.

    Hope this helped!

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberStoramin
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2008
     
    Storamin

    Woah man... if you're going to get into debating the protein supplements and bulking vs cutting this isn't neccessarily the right forum for it.

     

    I get my running info here, and my free weight / diet info from muscleandstrength.com .  I definitely recommend them, a lot of bright guys on there.

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberTiffers110
    • CommentTimeAug 19th 2008
     
    Tiffers110
    www.fitnessboard.net is great, too.  =D