Mk1Racer:TimmyH:In line with ipedal...what's the justification particularly for the "it is illegal to wear headphones and listen to music while operating a vehicle" position? Surely it's not because you can't hear whats going on outside the vehicle....what do deaf people do for goodness sake?
Not sure about where you're from, but I think if you check in most states, you can't get a driver's license if you're deaf.
And to Chiprako, I have no problem with your position provided that you're treated the same way people that don't wear seatbelts are treated. If you're in an accident, and you're not wearing your seatbelt, the responsibility for your injuries is on you. That includes the medical expenses. I could care less if you do things that put you at risk of being injured, just don't expect someone else (including your insurance company) to pick up the tab should you get hurt.
Actually, in every state the deaf are allowed to get a license if they pass the written test and road test. Some states require an additional test or class of license, but all states allow it.
http://hana.freedomblogging.com/2007/04/30/you-cant-do-that-youre-deaf/
http://cochlearwar.com/deaf_can_do.html
Frankly, it's been my experience that most drivers have their stereos louder than my headphones ever would be. When I do listen to my ipod, I just plug in one of the earplugs and tie the other one off (which is legal).
To the few that have said that they do not wear a helmet when they ride, this is a very very bad idea. Not wearing a helmet is not like not wearing a seat belt. It is more like riding on the front bumper of a car. Cars are hard and the concrete is harder. This doesn't even take in the sun protection it provides to those of us who's hair isn't quite what it used to be.
On the subject of music while riding. I like all the suggestions about the different speakers to attach to the bike etc. I have to admit that I have used my ipod with ear buds while riding. If I was in town and sharing a lane I at the very least took the left one out, when there is a shoulder to ride on I guess I didn't see the point. I started rethinking this practice after I started riding with a buddy. He and I often talk off and on, yell out our paces, shout encouragement etc, so I would turn it off or take them out during these times. I really noticed how much more I heard and was aware of. I still put them in sometimes, but I keep the volume down. I am asking for that iride speaker thing for Christmas, thoug.
Wear a helmet people. If you have a spouse and kids you owe it to them. A kid shouldn't grow up without a parent or with an impared parent because their mom or dad was too cool to wear a helmet.
PS I think if you were really interested in wearing a helmet you could find one that fits your tiny head.
Im a proud MP3er. I ride with headset on as loud as i can take it. I understand its not for everybody. But thats part of the reason why i ride sunday and saturday mornings at 7am. No traffic.
90% of my riding last season was "rails to trails". A lot of very long stretches with no road crossings. My MP3 players is fantastic during those parts of the ride. But I always pull out the earbuds as soon as I'm in sight of any road; dirt road, highway, whatever. Scares the crap out of me to think I might not be able to hear traffic coming.
I ride with headphones all the time. In fact, having an hour (more now, but at the time...) to myself to listen to music was a significant factor in my transition from strictly commuting to riding recreationally.
My safety considerations? I will only use on-ear headphones, no buds. I have to be able to adjust the volume quickly and easily, without looking (controller on the cord, currently) -- volume goes way down, or off, when traffic goes up (I usually stay on low-traffic or bike-laned streets and avoid peak traffic hours). I periodically make sure I can still hear my bike, in case I've upped the volume to much 'cause I really liked that last song. Oh, and I have a mirror.
KWellborn:
PS I think if you were really interested in wearing a helmet you could find one that fits your tiny head.
HA! Agreed.
When my wife and I ride together, she has a tiny set of speakers that she zipties to the horizontal bar between the legs and she plugs the iPod into it so we can both listen and talk.
When I ride alone, I ride with one earpiece in the right ear and the ear closest to traffic, the left, without an earpiece.
One thing that I don't think has been brought up is that if you are riding on a road anywhere, you need a mirror to see behind you. I have the ones you just attach to the side of your sunglasses that look like a dentists mirror. Because even if you are riding without earphones, you sometimes can't hear cars coming up behind you if you are driving into a strong headwind. That's why you need the visual component as well.
Just curious,
What is the difference between the sound of a car that IS going to hit you from behind and the sound of a car that IS NOT going to hit you from behind?
I like music, but dont use ipod on rides.
1st Rides are only time of day when i can be alone with myself and my thougts and dont want to lose that.
2nd When i feel like it i sing or hum to myself.
3rd I cant enjoy music with wind and cars
But if u like it and it doesnt put other people in danger, i don't see what's that bad.
If you don't wear a helmet you're a COMPLETE IDIOT!!!!
I ride with tunes regularly, Oakley Thumps are the best for cycling. I have had many near misses with morons in cars. Its either wind or music, either way its hard to tell when an idiot is coming too close behind you, unless you have eyes in the back of your head.
I have used bike speakers purchased online for about $30.00 (activetunes, I-ride classic) for a year now. Mounting bracket bracket was a little mickey-mouse, 1 hinge broke but unit is still functional. Would like more amplification in speakers instead of cranking my old Creative Zen at volume level 20 out of 24 to extend MP3 battery life. Also would like volume control on speakers to allow simplified adjustment as traffic and wind conditions dictate. I have really appreciated music during hard climbs and extended rides, including Seattle to Portland in July of 2008, Provence in Fall 2008. Anyone with experience of newer I-ride Pro model,(est $60.00) specifically re: volume, battery life, mounting considerations??
I echo considerations re: need for rear-view mirror & need to hear ambient noise as well.
I also use an Ipod since you wont hear the car that hits you inless its a big desiel. Also if we cant use headphones then cars shouldnt be allowed to have radios since they also do the same thing for them. The comment that you need all your senses is wrong if you ride over 18mph its going to be either a wind noise or music.
I'm not going to have this argument though, do what you want. I have a feeling the level of safety people feel is largely influenced by the environment they're cycling in; Boston doesn't really lend itself to strong feelings of safety between the aggressive drivers and the suicidal jaywalkers.
True story though, dude I knew years ago when I was a messenger in Boston was lining up to turn into the Charlestown Navy Yard and heard a truck engine braking suspiciously close behind... takes a glance over his shoulder and sees a big rig setting up to make the same turn behind him, but gaining on him and with the trailer coming scary close. Last second the guy jumps off and the tail end of the trailer went right over his bike. Trucker didn't even stop.
Thankfully the next car coming along was a Mass State Trooper.
If you're going to listen to tunes while riding, just use common sense. I use my iPhone and earbuds most of the time when riding, but I also ride in BFE Indiana, and if I get passed by a vehicle, it's usually a loud truck, loud motorcycle, or really loud farm tractor. On the few rides were I do get into heavier traffic, the earbuds come out...COMMON SENSE!
The two close calls I've had were when I was riding with my girlfriend, niether of us were wearing headphones, and it was just a stupid driver not giving us enough room. Having headphones in would not have made us any less safe. If you want to be completely safe while riding your bike, buy a stationary trainer and wrap your self in bubble-wrap.
Ah Ha Ha Ha!!! This forum is great...
1) No sanctioned events allow for earphones for music(USA Triathlon, USCF, NORBA, etc. races)
2) Most group rides don't permit earphones for safety reasons(wires in wheels, lack of communication with fellow cyclists and hearing vehicles). And just plain rude! Why go on a group ride with earphones on anyway. Talk to people and enjoy your ride, or just go ride by yourself.
3) Solo rides depend on what your ride is(downtown in a big city, a busy street, a country road, a bikepath, a mountain road, singletrack, a bike park, ski slope, etc.) Obviously depending on which one it is dictates the choice to have or not have music. Use 'common sense'.
I'm in my 21st year cycling: I work in the cycling industry as a Pro Fitter.
I've raced road & mountain, and have logged many a mile(over 75,000) with no music. I lead group rides. I advocate safe cycling and harmony with motorists. Now with that said...
I now ride(this year) my solo rides with music for enjoyment and hearing cars isn't an issue for me, so long as there's no busy traffic, then I take at least one out, if I have them on when coming into town or get more traffic.
I just think about all those hours on my bike and think how much enjoyable it is to have music help me pass the time.
Hope everyone stays safe and makes smart choices, keep riding. SR
I ride solo so the walkman(yes for you young people out there thats what us old people 41 call an mp3 player) makes the ride so nice i have one that has a reg. fm radio i need the talk and all that comes with reg. fm radio as for the headphones i hate the earbuds i have reg. old style around the neck ones and i dont sit them on the ear i keep them a little in front so i hear the radio and everything else around me i couldent ride with out it but to each there own as long as you enjoy your ride do your thing
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ive grown up riding bikes, rollerblades, skateboards, etc. with headphones. i dont know if its something that ive grown accustomed to but i feel perfectly safe listening to music. In fact yesterday i was on a ride in some pretty thick fog (less than 100 yds of visibility) and took my headphones out for about a half hour to enjoy the conditions and found myself suddenly out of a comfort zone. Don't get me wrong, enjoying the elements was great but i guess using your ipod, crackberry, mp3, walkman, discman...is just a personal thing. it comes with its own risks and obviously shouldnt be used in some settings. I just moved from New York City where i was riding from Brooklyn to the Upper West Side. I would listen to music right up until i crossed into Manhattan. Up here in Rochester ive noticed the drivers are more used to bikers, so its been music every ride.
I do ride with my iPod shuffle. Right earplug in, left earplug out. I can hear traffic fine. I do ride at all times with a Giro helmet as well. The shuffle clips onto the helmet strap and doesn't interfere with my riding. I only ride solo, no group rides. I am still researching, but I don't know of a law in NY state prohibiting one ear plug while cycling.
I'm doing group ride twice a week, and solo ride at least one a week. Also a few century rides every summer.
My problem is wind noise. It is realy affecting me. Yes, if I turn my head a litle bit, the noise is less but I still can't hear all the car. And I can't get my head to stay turned all the time.
I would like to listen to the music while solo riding or even better, to anything except wind noise.