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  1.  
    redfragglerocker

    Hi all,

    I'm in New York and I have been running for about 3 months now.  Sadly, the cold weather has arrived and I really want to stay outdoors as long as I can!  I am looking for advice on what to wear to be comfortable in the 30-45 degree range.   I was just at a sporting goods store and saw some $60 Nike (cold) pants and tops, and some $50 UnderArmor (cold gear). It seems like a lot to pay ($100-120 for a top and bottom set) but if that's the price, let me know.  Maybe I can find a deal onilne.  Is it unrealistic to think that will keep me warm???  Brrrr.

    Thanks!

    Red

  2.  
    Limitedroark

    Here's something that I found to have some good information on what to wear in the cold months.  

    http://running.about.com/od/coldweatherrunning/a/wintergear.htm

     

    It my not have actual brand names and prices, but the information in the article helped me a lot in guiding my own purchases.  Hope it helps.

    • CommentAuthorHero!!JuanDez
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2008
     
    JuanDez
    I've always found that cold gear runs very expensive. The best time to buy is off season when it is on sale. At this point in the season you'll find tops usually range from 40-120+ and bottoms 30-80.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberJerseyBill
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2008
     
    JerseyBill
    If you have never run in cold weather you will be surprised at how little you actually need to wear.  For me about 50 degrees is the demarcation line where I put on the long sleeves but still wear shorts.  In the mid to low 40s I may start to wear light running pants.  I personally stay away from nike and under armor due to price.  I really like the long sleeve mock turtlenecks from roadrunnersports.com.  When it gets really cold or windy I'll have a shortsleeve running shirt underneath.  RRS also has running pants but I prefer the Asics thermopolis light.  They are a little pricy but they are as comfortable as all get out and they have zipper side pockets.  Everybody reacts to temperatures differently and pace and mileage also play a factor.  But the rule of thumb is you want to be slightly cool when you step out into the cold weather because you will begin to warm up as you run and you don't want to overheat.  It's a lot easier than you think if you have too much on.
  3.  
    redfragglerocker
    Thank you so much, everyone!  Lots of great advice.  
    • CommentAuthorFree Membercrw4096
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2008
     
    crw4096

    I agree with JersyBill, but one thing omitted by everyone is the need for ear covering and for gloves.

    I find that at 45 down to freezing, I need gloves to feel comfortable.  I wear some knit Pearl Izumi gloves I happened to get a deal on.  Below freezing, I wear my insulated ski mittens.

    For headgear, I like one of those headbands made of coolmax or other wicking material, but it's important that at least the tops of your ears are covered.  This I find is necessary when it's below freezing.

     With tights, a coolmax long sleeve shirt, a reflective windbreaker, the headgear and gloves, I'm good to go down to 15 F.  The windbreaker is great because you can unzip to adjust your temperature.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberormondry
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2008
     
    ormondry

    I agree with crw4096 on the ear protection.  Two days ago I made the mistake of running without ear protection or gloves in 30F weather with wind chill bringing it down to feel like 24F. I was wearing shorts and a Nike long sleeve shirt made for cold weather running, you'd be surprised at how thin cold weather clothing can be. :)  I had forgot to bring my hat and gloves, so I tucked my hands into my shirt but ran without a hat.  Where my hands were exposed froze at first but soon warmed up, the rest of my body was fine since I have a tendency to overheat.  My ears were a different story, by the end of my run my inner ear was hurting and I'm still feeling the affects two days later.

    I would say head gear is number one, even if it's just a headband to cover your ears.  As far as tops and bottoms do you need the latest and greatest?  I find that target and other cheaper brands work just as well as the pricer stuff.  As someone mentioned earlier right at the beginning of the season and at the end of the season is when sports stores are trying to clear out their merchandise and you can get some nice clothing at those times... hence I have my long sleeve nike running shirt. :)

    Before you go buy the expensive stuff experiment and find what works for you.  Throw on an old long sleeve shirt, shorts, and anything else you'd like to experiment with then go for a short run(15 - 20 mins), and see how it feels.  If your serious about cold weather running, I would recommend investing in running tights, they'll keep you warmer than any pants ever will.  Just remember to throw a pair of shorts over the top. :)  Happy Running  

    • CommentAuthorFree MemberLexB
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2008
     
    LexB
    Mizuno Breathe-Thermo stuff is pretty neat
  4.  
    traumarunner

    Wow, this is some great information. I am a new runner as well and had the same question. Thank you for posting this question and helping me out.

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberwhitewater
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    whitewater
    My wife and inlaws just got me some cold weather running gear. Makes all the difference in the world. I wear a tight fitting tech t either Nike Dri Fit or an off brand polyester under the long sleeve (Asics Thermopolis is my favorite) and then just some poly drawers under the running pants... I think they are Nike but they are very lightweight and I don't even notice them. knit gloves and a headband dealy with build in ear covers. You might want to get a couple pairs of gloves as my nose runs a lot in cold weather and well the gloves get a little nasty at times.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberGrantB
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    GrantB

    I think there has been a lot of good advice posted here.  I tend to run in tights, both top and bottom as it gets cooler.  With gloves, I tend to start with them when it is below freezing but I often take them off because I find that my hands get too hot if I don't.  I also read something about the human body using the palms of the hands as temperature "vents" for the body... whatever the case, I find myself more comfortable after about 5-10 minutes of running with no gloves on.  

    I think the important thing to add is that you should stay away from cotton when choosing cooler weather running gear.  This includes gloves but especially socks as the cotton will trap moisture near the skin and get fingers and toes quite cold.

    • CommentAuthorFree Membersebmacv
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    sebmacv

    I have never yet spent a penny on special winter gear, to be honest, given the prices. Admittedly I live in moderate climes (England) but have done my share of sub-zero runs. I simply mix and match my normal gear - will layer a sleeveless top and long-sleeve for instance, and throw on a good running jacket (owning one is essential in all weathers, I would say!) Anything with zippers is a good idea, as I warm up very quickly and frequently feel overdressed. Though be really careful with throwing off the layers mid-run as the chill can cool your muscles too fast.

    I too like my tights - but given a recent thread here on boys in tights I'm not so sure about these any more Smile

    I second the votes for head gear, but again make do with my 1 pound acrylic beanie from a supermarket. It keeps me warm and comfortable. 

    Unless you are planning a polar marathon, keeping warm in winter does not have to be expensive!

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberkrizzo
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    krizzo
    check Target they sell champion c9 gear which is relatively inexpensive. They carry a line of lightweight fleece top which I find nice to run when it's cold and this year I've seen they have a line of base layer clothing as well. good luck.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberkatydhin
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    katydhin

    You don't have to go in expensive gear to be comfortable. Actually, my first piece of winter equipment was those "long underwear" that hockey players puts underneath their big protective stuff...! Look for the ones that wick moisture away from your body. Sport store sell branded kinds but Wall Mart have some long underwear of some no-name brand that keeps warm and dry (about 15$ a piece). You can then put your shorts/breathing pants on top and a Jacket.

    As for the gloves, I like the "magic gloves", (the ones at 1$ sold in drug stores that you can throw away!) because my hand gets very hot when I run.

    No need to buy winter running shoes... I live in Montreal and when there is a lot of snow I put Yaktrax Pro (about 20$) and I find it very stable. 

    As some people has said: STAY AWAY FROM COTTON! that's true for every piece of equipment!

    Don't let the winter keep you away from running!

    Keep on running!

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberfassel
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    fassel

    wow that was the question in my mind ofr last so many days. I am in toronto and I can see snow coming my way. I run early in the morning when it is still dark and I am sure snow does not get cleared that early in the morning. someone mentioned no need to buy winter running shoes. Can anyone has any more ideas on that?

    I have joggers which can get soaked if they get under snow.  

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberkieljon
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    kieljon

    i second the target champion gear recommendation.  I also have a pair of walmart tights and a mock neck shirt that cost me all of $20 total.  they work great!

     

    as for running in shorts in the cold.  i've read on a training thread (another site) that some experts recommend covering your knees if the weather is below 50.  It's not about weather they feel cold, but as a precaution (i believe it has to do w/ joint wear)...  i'll see if i can track down the thread.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberdonnie
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    donnie
    walmart has some shirts for like 9 dollars a piece. Target just got some stuff in also. what you need the most and I mean the most important thing is are gloves and a a good cap. I have the best there is. they don't hold moisture and they are warmer then those fancy nike gloves you get at the stores. I tried to get the brand name on them but it isn't there. I have a pair of basketball pants that are lose on me. I think they are basketball for pre game but anyways I run with them with a pair of shorts under them. My thigh was getting really cold and when I got done my legs were low on circulation and was itchy.
  5.  
    red_alert102

    The two keys to cold weather gear,

     

    Don't over dress, you will definitely warm up as you run.

     

    Something for your head is probably the most important thing to wear.  Cold wind can be brutal on your ears.

     

    They have both been mentioned already, but I mention them again, because they are the keys to cold weather running!

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberburger
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    burger
    I'm a new runner also, and here's my take on it. Its been around 30 degrees both runs i've had this year. In the low 30 run, I wore running tights, running shorts over them, and a Nike therma- base layer. On the warmer of the 30 degree runs, I wore running tights, running shorts over them, and a C9 tight fit long sleeve shit. I also have a C9 fleece hat that I love to wear. love it. But yeah, dress for warmer weather rather than colder  
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberkatydhin
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
     
    katydhin

    One other trick is to know if you are overdress is that you have to feel cold when you go out the door (feeling underdress!). I have also read that some people dress warm and do loops around near their home and drop layers when passing by... Personally, I find it to boring to do loop around my home so I dress for when I'll get hot.

     Fassel : For winter running shoes, I haven't really tried them. It is my local running store vendor (who is a dedicated runner too) that told me that it was not nessesary. He told me that there were two options to turn your normal running shoes into winter running shoes:

    1) Yaktrax Pro which are "wired-springs" that fixes to your shoes (any kind of shoes). You can take them on/off easily,fold them and they fit in a jacket pocket so you can run on various surfaces in the same run. You have to buy the "Pro" one as they are made to stay solidly fixed on your shoes during strong movements (such as running).

    2) Crampons that you put on your shoe (like the Yaktrax). Those looks like the ones that are actually on winter running shoes. (I haven't try those... Anyone has??)

     I have the Yaktrax and them keep me from sliding in the snow and even on ice after a freezing rain storm... My brother has them too and he lives in an area with a lot more snow them me and would not go through winter without them! Of course, you still have to be carefull, shorten your stride and take an easier pace!

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjkolodin
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
     
    jkolodin

    I wear the Nike cold top only when it is 20 and below.  It is WAY too warm.

     For the 30 degree range, it's tights a long sleeve synthetic shirt and a warmer synthetic one over that.....if the wind is howling, I put on my light rain gear just over the first long sleeve shirt.  Hat and gloves; tights complete it. 

    Look on sierratrading post for terramar boys extra warm long underwear bottoms at 12.00 a pop.  they are the best REALLY warm running tights I have found.  I usually wear a woman's small or sm/medium.  In fact, these "tights" are so warm I only break them out when it is 25 and below....from Vermont....

     

     

    the Yak tracks are hard to run in.  I found another kind that have little grommets on the bottom, instead of the "springs," but even those make it so your feet don't touch the ground.  The BEST shoes I found are called ice bugs.  They are worth every penny and you can usually find them on sale.  I can't say enough about these shoes for slippery surfaces. 

    • CommentAuthorFree Membercalph
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
     
    calph

    I agree with all the comments regarding overdressing.   The rule I found that works the best is if you are comfortable just standing outside prior to the run, you are probably overdressed.   You should feel a tad cold.

    As far as specific clothing,  everyone is different with how much they need - I can run in shorts with a long sleeve shirt, wool golves and NO hat 'till 38 degrees.   Between 28-38 I'll add pants, below 28 a hat and an extra tee-shirt over the long sleeve shirt.  

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberlegsbolena
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
     
    legsbolena

    Another newby here approaching my first winter and want to keep the momentum through the season like a mailman (you know "no matter rain nor snow....).

     Anyway, regarding socks.  No cotton, huh?  what's the consensus and where do you get them reasonably priced???

    Thanks for the insight!

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberergordon
    • CommentTimeNov 14th 2008
     
    ergordon
    The problem I seem to have is warming the air before it hits my lungs. It's nearly impossible to breathe through my nose due to it constantly running from the cold temperatures, so I'm a mouth breather. Does anyone have any suggestions for some sort of face mask that can insulate the mouth without restricting airflow? I have a heavier fleece balaclava for work, but it's too thick for running; I can't get enough air. I saw Underarmor made a balaclava/face mask. Any suggestions?
    • CommentAuthorHero!!rrishch
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2008
     
    rrishch

    Three indispensible pieces of winter gear for me are Gore-Tex socks, Running Briefs and a one-piece Union Suit.

    The socks create a little "micro-climate" of warmth inside your shoes, much like perspiration is released from inside your gore-tex jacket while it repels rain/snow and blocks wind.  Wore them every day in rain or cold for five years  of cycle commuting.

    Running briefs protect against wind burn in your most vulnerable places(!), and are a good base layer.

    I often wear a polypropylne Union Suit as an outer layer over windshorts,  bike shorts and a short sleeve technical shirt.  With a light jacket, it provides enough warmth and flexibility for all but the bitterest cold.  Avoid cotton long underwear.

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberdchilds123
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2008
     
    dchilds123
    There's a lot of good comments here but I feel like weighing in just for fun. Avoid cotton next to your skin at all cost - gotta wick, gotta breath. Cover your head. Lightweight gloves are great. Dress as if it's 15 degrees warmer than it really. Shirt with a zipper neck is awesome - zip up when you start, zip down to vent. I run in lightweight synthetic socks and my standard trainers (Brooks Glycerin) my feet never get cold. I saw a comment up top about gauging how you're dressed by stepping outside and if you feel a little chilly, you're well dressed. That's dead on. IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WHEN YOU START OR YOU"LL GET REALLY HOT. One more thing to add that I didn't see...as long as you are in all synthetic from head to toe rain shouldn't bother you. I would not spend money on anything waterproof - it doesn't breath and traps sweat next to your body. You get all wet when you sweat, right? Don't be afraid of getting wet, don't worry about staying dry - stay warm.
  6.  
    gregrunsnow
    I will also agree with the line put out by Champion at Target.  They work GREAT. Nothing compares to my Under Armour gear but honestly, for the price, go to Target.  You'll be pretty surprised. 
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberburger
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2008
     
    burger
    jkolodin:

    I wear the Nike cold top only when it is 20 and below.  It is WAY too warm.

    For the 30 degree range, it's tights a long sleeve synthetic shirt and a warmer synthetic one over that.....if the wind is howling, I put on my light rain gear just over the first long sleeve shirt.  Hat and gloves; tights complete it. 


     I agree, I'ts wicked warm. Its pretty much made my running jacket obsolete. 25 and above its usually my C9 deal and Parodox running tights. Its chilly before a run, but during its awesome.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjunkie_99
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
     
    junkie_99

    Great thread!

    Yesterday was upper 30's or so (wind was blowing...so toss in a little wind chill) when I ran. Long sleeve shirt, shorts, and a hat. If I had taken gloves, would have had to take them off. Somewhere around 35 I'll have to start wearing tights....so I'm in the market for some running tights very soon. I think hats/ear warmers are good to start wearing anytime under 40 degrees....hats are small items and can go on or off during the run as needed to keep your temperature regulated.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberpkurtz06
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2008
     
    pkurtz06
    I live around subs of Pittsburgh, PA and run at night. For winter invest in underamour cold gear tights and under compression shorts, cold gear long sleeve top, headban and light gloves.
    • CommentAuthorFree MemberGrantB
    • CommentTimeNov 20th 2008
     
    GrantB

    People have asked about what socks they should wear for winter running that are warm, non-cotton, and cheap.  My answer... wool socks.  Wool is still the best at wicking away moisture and will keep you warm better than anything.  I have some modern high-tech running socks but when it gets really cold I turn to my woolies and go with those every time.  They are the cheapest, best solution that you can also use when you do other things outdoors in the winter as well.

    As to what to wear over top of those socks in the winter, I know Yaktraks have a following but I also had a friend that used to run marathons who lived in Winnipeg, Canada and she used to screw short screws into the soles of her shoes so that she would effectively run on the heads of the screws for winter running.  This way she could run on sheer ice and still have excellent traction.  (She hated doing it--apparently, it is a monotonous job to do--but she knew how good the results were.)

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjkolodin
    • CommentTimeNov 20th 2008
     
    jkolodin

    Yes WOOL socks are fantastic, but not your usual bulky ones. Wool has always been the alternative to synthetics, I think.

     Today is was a chilly 14 degrees in Vermont.  I know why I love my regulator jacket by Patagonia.  I was warm, not hot, and I wasn't soaked when I got home....check the outlets.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberkatydhin
    • CommentTimeNov 20th 2008
     
    katydhin
    Wow! Screws on shoes! SurprisedFirst time I ear that! It's sure a cheap way of getting winter running shoes if you are not using brand new shoes!!
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberajtpawlik
    • CommentTimeNov 20th 2008
     
    ajtpawlik
    As most have mentioned, the tights are a must, especially when below freezing or zero for that matter. I have used the head covering that give the option to fold down over the face. That is only necessary when it is extremely cold or the wind is blasting you in the face. Glasses during the day regardless of whether the sun is out just to provide a cold break. I have read numerous articles that advise breathing the cold air is not going to hurt you. I have not had an issue with it personally but would think certain health conditions would change that advice. Thanks to all for the Target tip for cheaper gear. Although it is much harder to talk yourself out the door in January in New England, there is something extremely satisfying about completing that run despite the conditions.
    • CommentAuthorFree Membernatecook
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2008 edited
     
    natecook
    Hurray for running in the cold. It's my favorite time of the year since you can't really overheat, just strip down a bit more. Great advice one here - get a decent hat or headband and stay away from cotton!

    Someone asked about a face mask - I have the same thing where if the temp is in the 20s I can't breathe the air straight or it kicks in my asthma. Check out the Sugoi MidZero Thermal Tube - it is lightweight and really versatile - when the temp drops to 0F I pull it up and it covers my neck, face, and goes up over my ears for an extra layer there.

    The thing you want to be careful about when deciding what to wear is the wind - 32F with a 20mph wind can feel a lot colder than even a calm zero-degree day. Big factor here on the Chicago lakefront.
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberangelam5
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2008
     
    angelam5
    Feetures make a good wicking sock with a built-in arch support for winter running.  I'm in WI and used them all last winter, even when the temps dipped to 0. 
    • CommentAuthorFree Membermxblues98
    • CommentTimeNov 23rd 2008
     
    mxblues98

    I found a great running jacket at Kohls for $20 on sale.  I wear that with a Starter cold weather top I found at Walmart for $15 and a wicking shirt underneath.  For bottoms- again walmart/Fleet Farm long underwear- look for wicking style with active rating, a pair of Starter tights from Walmart- $10 and a great pair of Starter pants from Walmart that are ankle tight( hate the regular wind pants) but "loose" throughout the rest for $15.  I'm in Wisconsin- ran on Friday when it was 13 degrees w/o windchill and found it perfect.

     Oh hat- found the Underarmour style of headcovering is tight at face making it tough to breathe. I use a fleece baclava that is loose around the mouth and love it.

    Thanks everyone else for other tips- new runner and don't want to stop the training.

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Membercbirck
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2008
     
    cbirck

    I live in Dallas and we have our fair share of weather fluctuations...it was 65 yesterday morning and by 5pm it was 37 with a wind chill of 28! I'm newer to running, about 3 months, and have recently taken everything outside and love it.

    I got a great pair of running tights and jacket at target! I love them and they really make a difference, and the price is great! I just layer up, and wear a sports top over my sports bar with a cotton longsleeved shirt and then the jacket and maybe a fleece vest depending on the temp. I've got to get a head band though, the cold is no good for my ears...as I learned last night! Hands are ok because they can be tucked into sleeves or pockets.

     I think running tights are a must!

  7.  
    billbradski

    overdress - you can always take layers off but can't add them once you're running.

     layers top and bottom - several thin layers of wicking fabric (like Nike Dri-Fit) with a wind/rain/snowproof jacket.

     synthetic socks (1 layer!) - cotton causes friction and blisters and bulky causes sweaty and wet = cold!

    gloves - brooks makes nice running gloves with little magnets in them so you never lose them from each other.

    hat - something with wicking ability to keep your head from being wet and sweaty.  cold head = bad

     

    it's that easy.  happy trails!

     

     

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberrobthedawg
    • CommentTimeDec 10th 2008
     
    robthedawg
    New to running so I'm taking it easy with regards to dropping bucks on the running gear.   With birthday money, I did splurge on high priced Under Armour running tights and I must admit, they've been terrific.   Outside of that, I have found if I keep a knit hat on my head and gloves on my hands - I bought them cheap at target - then I'm good down to 30 degrees.  I've layered a couple of shirts, but the hat & gloves do the trick for me.  
    • CommentAuthorFree Memberbhbrtn
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2008
     
    bhbrtn

    Great info.

    If anyone is interested in screw shoes here is a good link.

    http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=14917

    I did it to a pair of 400+ miles semi-retired shoes...it's not too bad if you have a power screwdriver. Looking forward to trying them out.

    Ben

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberdbikekc01
    • CommentTimeDec 11th 2008
     
    dbikekc01
    I received a great SWAG (stuff we all get) gift at a Cyclocross event that I volunteered last year.  It is a convertible winter hat/neck gaiter that really works great.  Get too hot? Just open the drawstring and slide it down around your neck.  Too cold? Pull it back up and close the drawstring.http://www.kccrossnationals.com/NEW_SITE/Apparel/hat.html

    The online event price for this thing is pricey but that is the genius of SWAG - Volunteer for 4 hours and get one free.

    • CommentAuthorFree Memberjkolodin
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2008
     
    jkolodin
    So an ice storm has hit the Northeast.  If you have never heard of "icebug" shoes, check them out.  Best investment for hard core bad weather running.  I feel very SAFE in them.   Worth every penny.
  8.  
    Yossarian Stipe

    I'm in Scotland - mebbe not as cold as New York in winter but it can be chilly. A big thing here is wind chill, especially on exposed areas like mountains. The wind can make you several degrees colder than you really are. I find a lightweight wind proof running jacket - I've one made by concurve - superb for blocking out the wind; put that over a long sleeved running top and the temperature is fine.

    I very much agree with the comments about the need for gloves and ear protection by the way. 

    And if you're in Europe - and possibly further afield online - there is a French warehouse sports store in a lot of places called Decathlon that does a lot of high quality, reasonably priced running gear.